Talk:Falles
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[edit] Misspelled
The correct spelling is with 2 As. It should be Fallas not Falles. Check out this Spanish Wikipedia link: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallas_de_Valencia I would have changed it but I don't know how to change it on all the pages that link here e.g.the entry for March. (I'm new to this) 132.228.195.206 (talk) 20:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Unencyclopedic tone
The article sounds more like a tourist advertisement than an objective description. I admire the author's passion for the subject and I don't doubt how fun the whole event is, but this needs to be reflected objectively rather than "...You'll be lying in bed trying to recover from last night's partying when it starts..."
- I couldn´t agree more. I felt embarassed when I read that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.202.96.146 (talk) 10:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
- -Nevertheless, I am Spanish myself, and I agree completely with the text and the writer. I think that the emphasis and the details given are exactly the ones that should be transmited to those that are looking for information about Fallas. I have gone to each one every year since I was 4, and I can tell from experience that, the feeling of being awaken at 8 a.m. by incredibly loud explosions and the car alarms, after a long night of partying, will stay written on your memory for ever. All, from the smell of the black powder while you are walking through Valencia, to the beautifully constructed marvels, and of course the deliciously prepared Paella, has to be explained with all of those feelings for the curious reader to get the grasp of this amazing event. It is true that the tone and some quotes make this article somewhat different from a common encyclopedia, and make it sound a bit informal, however, I am sure that this is really how Spanish Culture should be seen by outsiders.
- Alexander89 01:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin
The history section currently states that the Fallas began in the middle ages. However, the Spanish article claims that in spite of differing accounts of its origin, what is known is that it began in the 18th century. I've studied a little of the history of the region, but not nearly enough to know which is right. Any experts out there? Sadangel 10:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Valencia is not a Catalan country, we are victim of nationalist and lies from Catalonia. PLEASE STOP LIES
- -I agree with your view. I am too from the Valencian Comunity, and hopelessly realise that many of the references to paellas, fallas and valencian culture, are filtered into Catalan... Why is this?
- Alexander89 01:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
What does it have to do a table about the Catalan language and culture in a page about the Fallas? What does it have to do the phonetic or grammar of catalan language with the tradition and history of Fallas? Whoever checks wikipedia to know about Fallas is interested just in Fallas, whoever wants to know about catalan language and culture will look for related articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.187.63.107 (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, but i also have to say something: I'm from Valencia, and we don't speak Catalan.We are victim. Why do you have to say that Valencia is a part of Catalonia??. We have our own culture, and Catalonia wants to apropiate it. Please, delete from this article the template from "The Catalan-speaking world". VALENCIA IS NOT CATALONIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.202.23.232 (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fallas / Catalan
Hi, I have deleted the box that stated that this was included as a Catalan tradition. I don't care if valenciano is catalan or not. What is for sure is that this festivity is not part of the catalan tradition. The same as you wouldn't include Serb holidays as being Croatian, or St Patrick's being an English tradition. Please correct me if I'm wrong and imply that StPaddy's is an English tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by --Arthurbrown (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)Arthurbrown (talk • contribs) 14:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- At no point does the article say that it is a Catalan tradition. However the box relates to the Catalan-speaking world, and is therefore completely appropriate. --Bcnviajero (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I have to differ and satate that this is not appropriate. In no Flemish tradition does it englobe it with Dutch traditions. This creates confusion as it puts them all under one topic. Valencian traditions have no relation with catalan traditions. It has been accepted that Catalan and Valencian are the same language, but that does not justify that box or it's content. We don not have boxes in Wikpedia of Sout American traditions in a Spanish-Speaking World Box. If we start relating traditions to their languages, we will have too many boxes and the relation tends to be scarce. What importance is it that Falles are spoken in Catalan? At the beginning of the article it says pretty clearly (In Valencian), so if anyone wants to they can click there and discover about the language (catalan or whatever). What is redundant and confusing is including it with El Tió de Nadal and other Catalan traditions. What do we include and what do we not include in that box? Mallorcan traditions?Alghero traditions?
I issue my desire to not only remove this box from this article, but from all the articles that it is in. Maybe a Catalan Traditions box for Catalan traditions, or an article with the Catalan Speaking World, but this box seems too exclusive and pushy.--Arthurbrown (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Hm the fact that both regions share the same language (or so they say in the law, it's not really the same, whatever they say) doesn't mean that they share traditions, so yeah, that 'Catalan-Valencian' thing should be removed off the box, it's only a Valencian tradition. AND even if they say that both languages are the same, it's completely legal to call it Valencian as a language itself since the law also states that, so Catalan has nothing to do in this page. Seriously, nothing. (talk) 5:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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- See discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catalan-speaking Countries. --Carles Noguera (talk) 18:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] the Falleres in their dresses really are much prettier
the Falleres in their dresses that the image is not a representation of reality. the Falleres in their dresses really are much prettier picture soon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.53.58.56 (talk) 18:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Catalan countries don't exist
The user CNoguera don't like the reality. There is nothing call catalan countries and of course Valencian countrie is not a part of them. Thus falles couldn't be a catalan tradition. Moreover is not useful, for example,a FCBarcelona link in this page. I will delete this stupid table allways I see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.203.138.133 (talk) 11:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Dear anon user, for a long time a bunch of users involved in the development and maintenance of this and related articles have thought that it would be useful to have such a template to help navigation between them. Notice that it is explicitly about a "Catalan-Valencian cultural domain". There is no claim of any political existance for a so-called "Catalan Countries", which is what you probably have in mind when you say that they do not exist. I kindly invite you to elaborate your point of view, if you deem it necessary, taking this into account and avoiding personal attacks and derogative terms as, unfortunately, you have done in the previous message. Cheers, --Carles Noguera (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
