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Hoklo (福佬, POJ: Hok-ló) is sometimes also written as the phonetically similar 鶴佬 (Ho̍h-ló), 河洛 (Hô-lo̍k), 學佬 (ha̍k-láu). It looks like the Ban-lam version of this article has some explanations. Oniows 13:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Hokkien = Hoklo? 2 Aboriginal ancestry 3 claim or claimed to be Han-Chinese 4 my removal of content

[edit] Hokkien = Hoklo?

I have noticed this mass renaming of Hokkien as Hoklo. Being a Hokkien myself, I have not even heard of this term. May I know if this is factually accurate, because Hokkien means Fujian in Mandarin, and refers more to the Mannanese speaking populance?--Huaiwei 05:07, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know the two terms more or less refer to the same people and language. Hoklo is more commonly used in Taiwan, whereas Hokkien is common in Southeast Asia. Taiwanese people won't identify the Taiwanese language as Hokkien, but Hoklo (which is also written as 河洛). In Cantonese-speaking areas Hoklo (usually pronounced as 學佬 or 鶴佬) and 福建人 (Fujianese people) are equally common to refer to the people, but probably Teochiu people don't identify themselves as 福建人. — Instantnood 07:49, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Me either, I haven't heard this term used elsewhere except in Taiwan and Hong Kong. It is a cantonese loan word to describe Fujian people in Guangdong and Hong Kong and I think some people have used it as the ONLY term to describe people originating from Fujian. In South East Asia, Hokkien is the word used to describe people with Fujian heritage.--Visik 05:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is proper to describe people originating from Fujian as either Minnan (Hokkien) or Minbei (Fuzhou).

I think it's probably okay for this page to refer to "Hoklo people" because it specifically refers to the population of Taiwan, and should use the name they use for themselves. There could possibly be a separate article about "Hokkien people" as an ethnos, but I don't know enough about them to write it. Grace Note 04:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

This page appears to refer to all Hokkien people as Hoklo. While in reality, it seems only the Taiwanese Hokkien people say "hoklo". Shouldn't this be renamed to Hokkien? I've never heard anybody anywhere say anything except Hokkien for the people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.101.107 (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aboriginal ancestry

I think that the statement about this needs sourcing. At base, Hoklos wouldn't seem to have much ancestry in common with the Austronesian Taiwanese at all. Can we have a source for the "undocumented marriages" and maybe rewrite this sentence to be clearer about what we are meaning? Grace Note 04:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] claim or claimed to be Han-Chinese

It is not yet for sure, if Hoklo people are Han-Chinese or not. Some political parties say they are, some say they're not. As well as some researches say their bloodline goes to mainly to China, and some say not. Therefore I edited that sentence to "be claimed" to point out, that there is no verified proof. 快樂龍 13:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Please read Han Chinese. This issue has been covered.--pyl (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] my removal of content

i removed the content that was sourced with Dr. Lin's claim that southern chinese are pure yueh.

first of all, she has no PHD in history, she is a geneticist, yet her entire report does not mention a single result of her tests. it is a statement claiming that northern chinese are "pure" chinese, and southern chinese yueh which is in fact laughable. she is a geneticist, not a historian. for example, if a person wit a PHD in botany claimed the romans were growing 500 feet tall sunslowers, youd want him to show you his phd in roman history....