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Contents 1 "Japananese"? 2 Right to vote & government employment 3 Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan 4 RfC: Should Category:Anti-Korean sentiment be deleted?

[edit] "Japananese"?

Seriously? I thought this was a simple typo, but "Korean Japanese" is a redirect to "Japanese Korean". What gives? —Mhari^* 22:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Crystalclearchanges is trying to "standardise" every immigrant ethnic group page on Wikipedia into made-up names along the lines of Italian American, and left behind a trail of misspellings, copy-paste moves, etc. User:HongQiGong and I have reverted most of the changes made on the Korean diaspora series, since there's sort of a consensus about what these should be called, and per WP:NC(CN), it's not "Korean Fooian". cab (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if there were 6 million Korean-Japanese or Japanese ( Korean descent) living in Japan. Past, Present, Future history there were so many Korean influences in Past Japanese history. Yayoi, Jomon, Japanese Emperor, Japanese (early Nobles), Hata clan, Aya clan, Koma clan: They were Koreans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean1Professor (talk • contribs) 09:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Right to vote & government employment

The section in question reads:

[quote]So far, three prefectures - Osaka, Nara and Kanagawa - have granted voting rights to permanent foreign residents. However, the Japanese Diet has not yet passed a resolution regarding this matter despite several attempts by political parties to do so, and there is considerable public and political opposition against granting voting rights to those who have not yet adopted Japanese nationality[endquote] .

I think this information is out of date, though. To begin with, the regional High Courts, and the Supreme Court, in a series of suits and appeals, have rejected the right to vote lawsuits from the zainichi. I think the law is pretty clear, these days, - no sufferage for zainichi at national elections. Is the author of the above alluding to local prefectural elections? If so, I think zainichi are also denied the right to vote there too. Is there a citation for the author’s claim? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.27.250.213 (talk) 07:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, no one did anything about it or supported the statement with a citation. In any event I'm pretty certain it's wrong so I changed it. Osaka, Nara and Kanagawa cannot "grant" voting rights to non-citizens unilaterally, even in prefectural elections. Their motions to do so were struck down by the courts, so it's not true to say that they "granted" any voting rights. 122.27.250.213

[edit] Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan

"Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan" should be deleted. This category is just only Koreans in Japan. Certainly, Some Koreans in Japan made criminals and made Anti-Korean sentiment, however most of all are good people. The word "Koreans in Japan" do not directly suggest Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan.--Bukubku (talk) 11:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Do not use such inflammatory and insulting language. According to your logic, Japan did commit such tremendous war crimes like abducting and forcefully dragging Koreans into Japan for hard labor and then slaughtered and mascared Koreans like Kanto Earthquake, and their descendants have been remained in Japan. Besides, they're still main subject of severe discriminationper this book sources, so the category is very legitimate one to stay.--Caspian blue 21:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

CB, my English is elementary level sorry. Oh, I thought you might have hate Zainichi Koreans, because you added the category so many times. Now I am at ease, you are not racist. My Zainichi Korean friends were descendant of refugee from Jeju masscres. They still feel discrimination from South Koreans. And They have terrors of South Koreans. According to my logic? Korean labor draft was started in 1944, after Kanto Earthquake occured. Anyway I think Kanto Earthquake is very sad incident for Koreans. They are not discriminated now generally. According to your logic, Korean American was discriminated in US, for example Los Angeles riots. According to your logic, Korean Vietnamese was discriminated in Vietnam,for example Lai Daihan. Do you recommend me to create new section like you? I don't want to do so. Anyway I think "Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan" should be deleted.--Bukubku (talk) 15:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Bukubku, do not call me CB unless I say it's okay for you to do so; You're not my friend. The insertion of the legitimate category has nothing to do with my own feeling. Encyclopedia should be based on facts, sources. Then according to the "so-call your logic", you must hate Korea so much given the fact that your contribution history. Now, you're attacking me as "I'm a racist" (you already did attack with such outrageous accusation on other places). You also altered info regarding the time in which a majority of Koreans were moved to Japan. You falsified that it was during the Korean War, not the period of Japanese occupation. You altered the info without any source. Thankfully, somebody fixed your erroneous edits here thought with sources. I think you must re-read history books. The forced draft began during the WW2, not started in 1944 almost at the end of the war. Moreover, this article is not Vietnamese in Korea, United States or Japan , so do not mix irrelevant things here. Regarding your friend, you also did not provide any sources". So in turn, you have no plausible rationale for your removal but just the insistence like "I think Category:Anti-Korean sentiment in Japan should be deleted."--Caspian blue 16:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Look these cabinet decisions, these are primary source. Japanse labor draft started in 1939.[1] However, Korean labor draft was exempted until 1944.[2]--Bukubku (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, usage of primary sources should always be very cautious and given your false usages of such sources to Empress Myeongseong and others, I must look carefully into your sources. Regardless of the forced draft, your rationale still fails to prove that the category should be deleted. Besides, not every minority was slaughtered by Japanese like Koreans when 1923 Great Kantō earthquake occurred. Many academic research provide examples of discrimination to Koreans in Japan, so the category at the article is legitimate.--Caspian blue 17:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, usage of primary sources should always be very cautious is good. I know well your false usages of tertiary sources to Queen Min and others. Read cautiousiy. According to your rational, Japanse people (and Min clans) were slaughtered by Koreans when 임오군란(壬午軍亂) occured. According to Kim Jong-il, nowadays many Japanse abducted by Koreans. Many academic research provide examples of discrimination to Japanese in Korea. Anyway, do you recommand me to categorize Korean American, Korean Vietnamese like you?--Bukubku (talk) 10:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm talking about your disruptive behaviors on your usage of primary sources. I've never done such malpractices like you did. You always ended up to admit your lies in several occasions. Do not divert the main topic on Koreans in Japan but show some coherent evidence. Well, the article is not Koreans in Korea, but Koreans in Japan. Keep focus. You always fail to provide any logic.--Caspian blue 16:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Have you read those sources about draft?--Bukubku (talk) 03:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Academic sources are already presented for abductions of Koreans , so what else need to?--Caspian blue 20:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Abducted Korean descendant Park shigenori became Japanse Minister for Foreign Affairs. Did abducted Japanese by Koreans succeed in Korea?--Bukubku (talk) 06:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfC: Should Category:Anti-Korean sentiment be deleted?

I believe that Koreans in Japan have been primary subjects of discrimination in Japanese history and society which are all addressed in the article, so this pertinent category is relevant to the article, but user named Bukubku does not think so. Please leave your input here. Thanks.--Caspian blue 18:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)