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Contents 1 groups of traditions 2 Protestantism and their Reformation Period Brethren 3 Anglicanism 4 Justification by Faith Alone

[edit] groups of traditions

After a little back and forth between myself and snowded, I've started a new discussion Talk:Christianity#Denominations which may be of interest. Quantpole (talk) 01:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Protestantism and their Reformation Period Brethren

Protestantism did indeed separate itself and be formed from the roman catholic church. under the list of denominations formed during that time includes: Lutherans, Calvanists, etc.

However, history shows that the Baptists were not from the reformation period. they were called the anabaptists when the roman catholic church was formed. but, the bible shows that John the Baptist existed long before the Roman Catholic Church did. It is logical to conclude, with that information in mind, that the Baptists did not sprout away from the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation Period as the Protestants did.

(Kinghawke (talk) 04:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC))

Are you actually saying that John the Baptist started the Baptist Church --Sfcongeredwards (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That is what he appears to be saying, however, REAL history shows that that idea is full of gibberish. The origins of the Baptist church are easily traced back to one man, who certainly didn't live within even 1000 years of John the baptist. That doesn't stop people from saying it though. I've certainly heard it before.Farsight001 (talk) 02:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you farsight, saying that john the Baptist founded the Baptists Church is like saying that the Apostolic church(small US based church) was founded by the Apostles --Sfcongeredwards (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism

The article ought to go at least a little into the question of whether Anglicanism is Protestant. Currently, the map shows England as Protestant, but the lede says Anglicanism is distinct from Protestantism and the article never mentions Anglicanism again. So that's an internal contradiction, and one that may well be confusing to readers unfamiliar with Anglicanism's schizophrenic view of itself. I know it's difficult, because it is non-NPOV both to assert that Anglicanism is Protestant and to assert that it isn't, but the solution is not to have the map make one non-NPOV assertion and the text make the other one. +Angr 05:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe when they repeat the 39 articles? OK Anglicanism has a catholic wing (although with a pattern of desertion over time) but it comes from the Protestant tradition if we are looking at classification. --Snowded ^TALK 07:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Do anyone besides Anglicans argue that Anglicanism is entirely distinct from Protestantism (quite an umbrella term)?

By some measures, there are more Restorationists than Anglicans! How is Anglicanism one of only four traditions, while Restorationism is entirely ignored? Readers need to know what reference is saying that, but the point lacks a citation. In a casual search, I couldn't find a non-Wikipedia secular scholarly reference that said what the article's introduction says.

I've even seen works that group Catholicism with Orthodoxy while separating Restorationism!

--AuthorityTam (talk) 04:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Obviously I can't speak for all Anglicans, but as an Anglican from England, I've never heard an Anglican disagree with Anglicans being Protestant and I definitely regard myself as a Protestant. Certainly the catalyst for the creation of the CofE was a fat bloke in Rome telling a fat bloke in London that he wasn't allowed to divorce a fat bird from Spain, but the actions of this split were carried out by people who were angry at the wealth of the Catholic church, a view that it had strayed from the humility of Christianity and that it should be Protested. Thus, Anglicanism is a form of Protestantism. It is true that there is the "high church" side of Anglicanism that retains more of the Catholic traditions, and Henry VIII died as an "English Catholic", distinct from "Roman Catholic". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 23 June 2009

From Anglicanism - The earliest Anglican formularies corresponded closely to those of contemporary Reformed Protestantism; but by the end of the 16th century, the retention in Anglicanism of many traditional liturgical forms and of the episcopate was already seen as unacceptable by those promoting the most developed Protestant principles. In the first half of the 17th century the Church of England and associated episcopal churches in Ireland and in England's American colonies were presented by some Anglican divines as comprising a distinct Christian tradition, with theologies, structures and forms of worship representing a middle ground, or via media, between Reformed Protestantism and Roman Catholicism; a perspective that came to be highly influential in later theories of Anglican identity. So originally Protestant, via media suggested as early as 17th century, and currently generally used by the modern church. But since it was originally Protestant and since legally the head of the COE must be a Protestant and since Protestant is found in some of the Anglican communion churches to this day, I would encourage it be included in the Protestant group. Nitpyck (talk) 20:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

If Anglicanism is halfway between Catholocism and Protestantism then it is protestant, nor Catholic but a distinct branch of Christianity.--Sfcongeredwards (talk) 02:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It claims it is distinct now, but it was not originally, and so still belongs under the group of sects that broke from the Roman church at about the same time or are directly descended from those earlier reformation churches. The Methodists are descended from the Anglican church should they also not be one of the protestant sects?
And I would argue that rejection of the authority of Rome is a wider separation than any differences it may have with the other mainstream Protestant churches (Note however that this is my opinion and therefor not a valid point for the article). But my earlier argument that it was originally and was for centuries considered a protestant church is not disputed.Nitpyck (talk) 05:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Justification by Faith Alone

'Protestantism does not depreciate good works; but it denies their value as sources or conditions of justification, and insists on them as the necessary fruits of faith, and evidence of justification.'

• Sigh* Can someone please change this to make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.145.95.9 (talk) 03:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It makes sense to me, but the language may be just a little too formal for readers of a general encyclopedia, particularly for an article like this one that should introduce a general reader to Protestantism. Some explanation or borrowing from other Wikipedia articles on sola fide may be in order. Take a look at some of the references to see if they offer more accessible summaries - it is quite a tricky topic and I have heard people spend several hours to try to explain it. I hope you resolve it. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)