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[edit] Canada
Hello. I think this webpage should be updated because I've found many links that confirm that Canada gets 35 million annual tourists every year. Thank you http://www.justlanded.com/english/Canada/Canada-Guide/Travel-Leisure/Getting-there http://www.kanetix.ca/insurance-travel-visitors-to-canada http://www.gapyear.com/visas/1166387 http://www.visabureau.com/canada/canadian-visa.aspx Have a great day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.75.103 (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- Are these referring to international tourism or just domestic ones. The UNWTO publishes the official World Tourism rankings regarding tourist statistics.--DerechoReguerraz (talk) 08:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
It refers to International Tourism. I think it would be more accurate for all tourism data to be obtained by national governments rather than the United Nations. It would also be more accurate to just give 2008 or the latest year in which statistics have been obtained rather than the last two years. More professional that way. But that's me. It will also pave way to show tourism numbers from other countries. Thanks! Have a great day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.75.103 (talk) 05:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] About the cities and the attractions rankings
About the cities ranking, Euromonitor doesn’t seem very reliable. A lot of informations are curious. E.g.:
- Hong Kong which had 8,1 M tourists in 2006, received 12M in 2007, ie an augmentation of 33% in one year... In addition, why Euromonitor indicates an augmentation of only 8.8 % ?
- Some cities like Kiev doesn’t appear in the complete list (that is, less than 150,000 visitors). Curious, considering that Ukraine is the eighth country the most visited according to UNWTO (23M).
- Strangely, among the 50 first cities, only Paris shows a huge fall, -10 % in one year! How such a fall could be credible as itself, and how could it be credible knowing that the Paris tourism office announced for that year a record of international frequenting?
- Within a year, some cities make unexplained breakthroughs like Istanbul (3.99M to 6.45M) or Toronto (4.16M to 6.63M: -3.6% according to Euromonitor (!)) or even NYC (+23% !)
Euromonitor is a private institute, doesn’t explain its methodology, doesn’t say who ordered the study, shows spectacular and unexplained differences from a year to another and seems to show figures mathematically wrong in the growing column... I think this list needs clarifications, at least for the methodology. Otherwise I think it doesn’t have its place on this article. (And the sentence referring to the 30M international visitors of Paris seems disproportionate: the city of Paris itself (intra-muros) declares receiving only 17M foreign visitors by year.) About the attraction rankings, Forbes set up a list which is completely biased. How can they consider nodes of circulation ? How can they compare Time Square with the Taj Mahal ? They say that the National Mall is the second most visited place in the world (25M people / year). That seems strange in a city visited by "only" 1.2M foreign visitors each year (according to the precedent ranking). How to explain that Time Square or Trafalgar Square are represented but not Shibuya in Tokyo, Puerta del Sol in Madrid or the Wenceslas Square in Prague ? Forbes can’t pretend that the 35M people "visiting" Time Square each year are tourists. According to Le Figaro, The Champs-Elysées are crossed by 100M people each year, they are certainly not all tourists ! Even as a rough guide, I don’t think this list is reliable in that state. It gives some interpretations like the sentence we can read: « It is noticeable that 4 out of the top 5 are in the North America continent. » I’m not for the total removal of the list, but at least, we can agree on some places that can’t figure on it (and state this removal in the article). What's your opinion about that ? En-bateau (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I think the Euromonitor's list of the most visited cities is kind of speculative. Unfortunately, the UNWTO World Tourism rankings doesn't have most visited cities. I removed the Euromonitor's list before, but an editor informed that it is reliable source, and I agree that it seems to be a reasonably well-published source, and I have updated the 2007 statistics. But I agree that the list doesn't do well in terms of explaining its methodology.--DerechoReguerraz (talk) 02:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply! I'd like Mariordo anwers to my argumentation. These lists are very suspicious (Euromonitor) or clearly biased (Forbes ranking). In that case, we can’t pretend they are reliable sources. It would be hypocritical. En-bateau (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- According to a Portuguese Tourism agency , Portugal received 11,8 million tourists in 2005, of which 40% visited Lisbon (approx. 4,3 million) this is by far a lot higher than the figures published by Euromonitor. In another wikipedia article entitled tourism in Portugal there is a claim that Lisbon receives 7 million tourists a year (with reference). This should be checked and standardised.
- Thank you for your reply! I'd like Mariordo anwers to my argumentation. These lists are very suspicious (Euromonitor) or clearly biased (Forbes ranking). In that case, we can’t pretend they are reliable sources. It would be hypocritical. En-bateau (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
(reference for Tourism Agency : http://www.turismonaweb.com/noticia.php?id_not=268&id_cat=12 )--93.108.27.199 (talk) 01:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Likewise, what is that Forbes ranking about? Times square? How on earth do you measure the number of visitors to a traffic junction? What about JFK, I'm sure that's quite a lot of "visitors" too. 193.132.242.1 (talk) 11:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
