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[edit] July 16 DYK
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[edit] DYK comment
Hi, please see T:TDYK for the comment I left on your DYK nom. Renata (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikipedia:Rollback feature
Hello, I thought you might be interested in gaining rollback access for your account. This feature allows you to rapidly revert vandalism and other highly inappropriate edits in one click, which you might find helpful for Eurovision articles which can be the subject of vandalism. Please let me know here or on my talk page if you want this feature so I can quickly add you. Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Looks like a good feature. This will come in handy when Eurovision season is in full swing again. Thanks for offering this to me. Greekboy (talk) 23:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I forgot to come back to you. I have now given it you before I forget again. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Reliability of ESCKaz
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Please do not vandalise the Sakis Rouvas template. Information that was on there is relevant to the singers career and releases and thus nothing needed to be taken out! GRstar2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by GRstar2008 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] DYK for Mia Nihta Zoriki
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[edit] A Eurovision article that needs urgent attention!
I dropped this off at Grk1011's page too, but you may want to make a feasible article out of Elpida Karayianopoulou, considering what impact she had on Greek music. Mike H. Fierce! 23:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know much information about her, but I will look into it. I know a couple of her songs. Greekboy (talk) 01:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 GAR
Hi Greekboy, I've opened a reassessment on Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 as I feel there should be greater encyclopedic information (broad coverage) within the article. I don't think it would take much work to bring it up to scratch as all the information is already out there, some of it in place on Wikipedia. But it would be worth people doing the work as the article is used as an example of a "FOO in the Eurovision Song Contest YEAR" Good Article, and it would be worth giving people something reasonably comprehensive and worthwhile to work toward. SilkTork *YES! 13:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- I actually disagree with you. Every country has a different selection process every year, different amount of songs, different amount of singers, ect. There is no way you can have 1 format for every country. You can have a common guideline of information to provide (like it is now) but not the same exact format. I actually think that Greece in ESC 2008 provides substantial information already. It provides information about the songs in the running, who composed them, ect. For example, on the portugal page, there is a whole section on "Producers", which is completely irrelevant to Greece in ESC. Other than that, all the info is already in the article, but just in a different format that fits the selection process better. (Besides and artist bio which I honestly do not think is needed on this page. This is about the contest, not what she has done. That is what linking is for) Greekboy (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Rouvas
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Hey Greekboy, FYI I don't know how you took it, but the first source was not a fan book. It is a specialty magazine with its own publishing company that does biographies on artists and is in no way related to one artist in particular. Almost ALL sources online and on tv will credit Rouvas as Greece's first pop singer, AND it did not say that he popularized Western genres, but that he HELPED, which is true and can even be proven by the timeline that those genres became present within Greek music. BTW, you did not have to take out everything, the sales were referenced. I am going to put some of the stuff I think is appropriate back in. Please look over it and check over the reference first before trying to remove it. For all editors, I believe that complete reversion of an edit is destructive to Wiki, you can simply just take out what you don't like instead. (GreekStar12 (talk) 03:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC))
- Perhaps that was my mistake due to the way I referenced it. Maybe I should have ref'd it as a magazine as I think it is moreso than a book. The magazine is Afisorama, "The Ultimate Pop Star", as they were doing a special issue on Rouvas before ESC 2004, was just a heading and not the title of the book. I'll clear that up if I ever decide to use it again, as it really is a reliable source. (Like any other magazines, it speaks of its featured artist in a positive light, but however provides information that has been both previously stated and uses fact and can be found for other artists as well.)
- Secondly, I am having some trouble with what some may consider POV. I realize all-time classics may seem as POV to some, but I call them that as they have been called so by the record label, tv, magazines and radio stations (songs such as "Den Ehi Sidera I Kardia Sou", "Ipirhes Panda", "Andexa", "Xana" have all peaked at number 1 for weeks, have been featured on numerous tv programs, covered by other artists, supposedly giving them this title) With ESC coming up, I have given a priority to the Rouvas articles. I feel that a lot of the Greek articles simply just miss the mark on some artists and don't really communicate what the artists represent or are known for. For anyone who knows Rouvas as an artist, they would know of the hysteria of his fans and his stage shows that have been differentiated from other Greek artists as well as the over-sexualized image that is a given to those exposed to it, but are difficult to reference. I want to incorporate some of this information without sounding POV, but am not sure how to do that about his image. (I want other users to understand that I AM NOT the one saying these things). What do you think?
- In general, Greek articles are difficult to find sources for about image due to the language barrier and there's not very good information as there are on English artists. (I've noticed that even some of the artists' official websites have many mistakes and are barely reliable). A lot of reliable information is mentioned on various t.v. shows in Greece, moreso than on the internet, so do you think that this could be solved with some GOOD television references?? Thanks in advance (GreekStar12 (talk) 03:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC))
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- Hello Greekboy. Sorry I haven't responded to your help. I appreciate it and it did clear some things up. I will try to continue improving these articles under these guidelines. I noticed that you put my book ref back in, but I think I will fix it as I do believe I cited it wrong (citing it as a book instead of a specialty mag). Anyway, the intro looks good now. BTW, I did not know that it was you that expanded the Rouvas article so much last summer; (That was before I became a user) I must commend you for doing an excellent job on it! Anyway, to answer your question, I was at Rouvas and Remos' concert in March too, and they both did say the same thing. However, I believe that what was meant was that Remos had come and toured in N.America for the Greek community there, while Rouvas had not ever sung specifically for the Greek public. This does not mean, however that Rouvas had never performed in the US for the American public (club tours, featured performances etc). Although I am not completely sure, I believe the Ola Kala Tour did include some American stops (as all of the album's personnel including producers and choreographers were American and Rouvas spent a lot of time in the U.S. at the time). I've heard it often being called a world tour however, as it did include 20 shows in France (A few of which were at Olympia), as well as performances across Europe, in North Africa and the Middle East, so it was not just a tour of Europe. Hope that helps.
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- Also, I am thinking that when the esc songs come out, there should be an article made for each of the songs as all three are significant candidates, using song infoboxes instead of the single/eurovision infobox, until February 18th, when a single/esc participant page can be appropriated. I think that the articles for the other 2 should be kept just as song articles, as they are significant in Greece's ESC 2009. Regarding the singles template, when I made it, I was thinking of creating articles for all of these singles when I had the time. Although Greek singles aren't released as CDs, I think that they are still important and that although it would be difficult to get chart info on the older ones, there could still be enough information by talking about their videos, compositions, etc. (GreekStar12 (talk) 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
[edit] Individual singles
I don't really understand why all of the individual singles wouldn't meet notability guidelines, though. Although I do realize that some of them may end up with expansion tags, I don't see why it may not work out. I read in the Wiki guidelines that there is a controversy between certain users: ones who believe (especially in music) that only certain information is notable enough to be made into an article, while others believe that all albums and singles are notable enough if they provide the reader with information that is not suited to be in other articles. I guess it really just depends on the individual user; I've seen airplay singles articles for Paparizou and Garbi without any problems, although they too are small articles, so I was just wondering about it. I believe that there probably will be enough background information to discuss on the three individual songs, and IF there is, I've seen many song articles (with the grey song infobox as they are not official singles) that do not have chart information up if it is an important part of an artist's career, so I think it's safe to say we'll have to wait. (GreekStar12 (talk) 08:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
- Hey, thanks for the info! I read that one has already been merged, and I think that's good that "Teardrops" has been merged to its album, as it was barely even a single (while having charted, its release was cancelled abroad as was cancelled for the single "The Game of Love".) To be honest, the Paparizou articles aren't really a priority of mine, but I looked over "Porta Gia Ton Ourano" and "I Kardia Sou Petra" and they look fine to me. Sure they haven't changed the Greek music industry or anything super-significant like that, but they are not stubs. There is a good amount of information on both of them that would not be able to be presented in the same organized way in the album page.
- I think that (seeing as how "Porta Gia Ton Ourano" and "IKardia Sou Petra" are not stubs), they should be kept and articles about songs of similar length and format should also be kept. I think something else that would help these articles become more notable are talking about the awards won, its use in promotion, and most of all, its composition: the actual musical information about the song, for instance key signature, time signature, vocal range, expression. A majority of all good english song articles talk about this stuff. Being a musician, I was always quite surprised that none of the Greek articles ever talked about anything like this. I get the point about the article needing not to be a stub and having substantial info, but I think otherwise, if users worked towards it, most radio single articles could be all right. In some cases, I think that the only difference between the CD singles and radio singles are the lack of album covers for the latter, lol (when looking over some Greek CD single articles now).(GreekStar12 (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
Oh, BTW, I almost forgot to ask. Pretty soon I was looking into making an article for the CD single "Pes Tis" by Sakis Rouvas, however, the English and French versions of it "Feelings" and "Dis Lui", were also released as singles. I don't know if making them all into one article would be appropriate as they all had individual physical CD releases, were released in different countries by different labels, had different writers, and had their own chart positions. In this case, I was thinking that the right thing to do is make an article for "Pes Tis" and "Dis Lui" seperately, while making a section about the Rouvas cover on the Morris Albert song article. Sound OK? PS, I know that the problem is that most users don't know about musical structure, making things a little harder. However, I do know about this stuff, and although I strongly doubt there will be many sources saying "'bla bla bla' is a song written in 4/4 time, in the key signature of D minor, with a starting note of A on the space", what I have seen is images of the scoresheet included in the article. This info can easily be obtained from just looking at a score and thus is hard to argue. (GreekStar12 (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC))
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[edit] Anna Vissi
In the article Apagorevmeno you bring a reference <ref name="StarNewsBackstage"> You forgot to enter the url. I entered a url which is probably a mirror of the one you mean. Could you please enter the correct one. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's it. Thanks. I didn't know that I could source the actual YouTube link. On another note, I am wondering if there is another reference type for sourcing television shows or interviews. Greekboy (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that we can't link to work that infringes on someone else's copyright. Consider just linking the show, not the video you saw the show in. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 03:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- That's one thing. Generally YouTube isn't the best source available (as it is self-published). But it is better than nothing. The suggestion of the previous user is a good one in general. Debresser (talk) 12:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Sound samples
Hello, I've noticed that you have uploaded many music samples for various articles. Do you think you could tell me how to do that, please? Thanks in advance. GreekStar12 (talk) 16:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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- OK, well that was wierd. I directed this question to User:Egtheod, however it sent me here. I guess he may have copied your layout, lol. Well, if you could be able to help me it would also be appreciated. Καλό Πάσχα GreekStar12 (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] RfC on reliable sources for Eurovision articles
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[edit] Nikos Vertis Photos
Hi! Would it be possible to make the pics you uploaded for the English Wikipedia available to everybody else, through WikiCommon? I think he'll look good on his Romanian page as well... Thanks, in any case, Yahal.Olal (talk) 14:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
