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[edit] Spain

[edit] Military history of Catalonia

Military history of Catalonia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

This "article" is just a bunch of headers, and even some of them have a strong Catalan separatist POV. To make matters worse, it will be pretty hard for a region to have a "military history" when that region has never had an army. This article's clearly a separatist attempt to spread free propaganda on Wikipedia, it's completely useless and, well, actually it isn't really an article. Taraborn (talk) 01:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 01:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 01:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 01:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
• Comment -- This could be a legitimate article, but each of the sections woudl need a paragraph of text following the "main" or "see" link. I am not convinced that the article is completely hopeless, but at present it is a waste of space. Tag for expasnsion. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
• Comment -- Contrary to the nom, the area did have a military history. For example, from the 8th to the 12th century, there were various armies marching all over the region. However, this article as it stands seems to have been configured with POV pushing of Catalan separatism in mind, with some of the links provided having little or nothing to do with military history. It might be better to blank it and start from scratch than to start with a 'Separatist history of Catalonia' article and try to fill it out into some sort of true military history. Agricolae (talk) 00:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Obviously the region had a "military history" in the sense that wars occurred there, but if we had to include every region's "military history" then we would end up with endless useless articles. That way we could have the articles Military history of the Basque Country, MH of Andalusia, of Galicia, of Murcia, Cantabria, Aragon, Northern Castile, Military history of Emilia-Romagna and Military history of the southern half of Sicilia. Well, doesn't make sense, does it? Something different would be, for example, Military history of the Holy Roman Empire, the Crown of Castile or the Crown of Aragon, since those former states actually DID exist, they obviously had an army and, well, a reason for having an article other than spreading separatist propaganda. --Taraborn (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment-- Basically agree with the bottom line of the nominator. Still, as Peterkingiron says, maybe the article is salvageable, but for that it does need, per Agricolae, to be blanked and started from scratch (dont agree with the latter, though, in the need for a "Separatist history of Catalonia", there is Catalan separatism already). MOUNTOLIVE _{fedeli alla linea} 02:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was not proposing a "Separatist history". I was saying that the article currently reads as a "Separatist history" and as such it makes a poor starting point for a "Military history" article. Agricolae (talk) 03:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

• 30 August - expires 4 September
  • Spanish untranslatables (PROD by User:Thumperward; "These "untranslatables" are deeply rooted in individual cultures, and require that the translator totally abandon any attempt to translate literally word-for-word.")